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Post by mrbeagler on Nov 15, 2008 10:22:07 GMT -5
Well in all my years of raising hounds and other dogs It happened to me this morning. I have a female beagle just turned 10 months she is in her FIRST HEAT and I had NO plans on getting her bred this first go around. I turned her out to run with the other beagle pups another female and a 8 month old male pup while I was cleaning the kennel out. Believe me I thought about this male pup , but thought No Way I have no worries ( Wrong) I was busy washing out the kennel and heard her squeal turned around to the coner of my yard... Grrrrrrrrrrrr They were locked up ,Dang it.... I realy did think I didnt need to worry about him. This is the first time since I have been raising dogs this has ever happened to me ... Darn sure didnt want this to happen, Now Im PO'ED at my self for thinking it wouldnt , couldnt happen. At least it was a beagle, but still didnt want her to be bred yet  My question is this, How long will it take for me to know she took... Man Im praying she dont take but if ahe does when will she start to show signes shes pregnet ... She also has to be wormed at the end of the month, Now I cant I dont think or can I still keep her on schedual with worming. I useualy wait untill my females are 2 yrs or just under to have them bred. She a very petete little girl at about 13" He's not quiet 13" DOG GONE ME for thinking it cant happen Should be some good lookin dogs He's a Blue Tick She's a Beautiful Tri ..... I been kicking my self in the butt all morning  |
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Post by bulletproof on Nov 15, 2008 11:15:33 GMT -5
i think its best to wait til at least their 2nd heat to breed them but she should be ok as far as the wormin check with the vet but there is wormer you can still give pregnant dogs and you shuold be able to tell in bout 4 weeks if she took
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Post by mrbeagler on Nov 15, 2008 12:27:19 GMT -5
i think its best to wait til at least their 2nd heat to breed them but she should be ok as far as the wormin check with the vet but there is wormer you can still give pregnant dogs and you shuold be able to tell in bout 4 weeks if she took Thanks I have always waited to breed a dog, NEVER have I intentionally bred one in their first cycle, most times at two yrs or 18 months. I'll call the vet Monday 1st thing |
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Post by carolinadoghunter on Nov 15, 2008 16:52:00 GMT -5
i think its best to wait til at least their 2nd heat to breed them but she should be ok as far as the wormin check with the vet but there is wormer you can still give pregnant dogs and you shuold be able to tell in bout 4 weeks if she took ditto |
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Post by rodman on Nov 15, 2008 20:36:14 GMT -5
Beagler,don't feel like the lone ranger.I had a Walker get lot bred one time and I never seen her bleed,act frisky,nothing.And to top it off,the closest male was 1 lot down. I just thought she was putting on a little weight,and then a few days went by and I was handing out cigars  |
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Post by carolinadoghunter on Nov 15, 2008 22:44:22 GMT -5
i had a male chew threw the wire and breed to 3 different females..... mmmmmmmm thats why i dont like male dogs, i got 8 6 beagles and 2 redbones..... the rest are all females
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Nov 16, 2008 23:00:37 GMT -5
Nature is built to procreate - girls will be girls and boys will be boys, Mr. B. I hate to see the the youngsters bred like that myself, but it DOES happen and it's not the end of the world, not optimum conditions, but could be worse. Since the cards are dealt, best thing to do is play 'em best ya can.
Keep her worming schedule just as you normally would, IF she took, it won't hurt her pups, if she didn't, you've not "lost ground" in that department.
Around 4 weeks you'll notice her "thickening" around her waistline if she took. Maybe you'll get lucky, but I'll bet you a nickel to a doughnut you'll have a smooth dozen since it wasn't the "plan" just murphy's law.
Best trick I can pull out of my book to help her at this point if she took, when you see the "adding" (pretty sure she's bred) start giving her a few ground up tums on her feed - it'll help her milk, plus help her with calcium and magnesium in her body and bones.
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Post by mrbeagler on Nov 18, 2008 14:36:31 GMT -5
Nature is built to procreate - girls will be girls and boys will be boys, Mr. B. I hate to see the the youngsters bred like that myself, but it DOES happen and it's not the end of the world, not optimum conditions, but could be worse. Since the cards are dealt, best thing to do is play 'em best ya can. Keep her worming schedule just as you normally would, IF she took, it won't hurt her pups, if she didn't, you've not "lost ground" in that department. Around 4 weeks you'll notice her "thickening" around her waistline if she took. Maybe you'll get lucky, but I'll bet you a nickel to a doughnut you'll have a smooth dozen since it wasn't the "plan" just murphy's law. Best trick I can pull out of my book to help her at this point if she took, when you see the "adding" (pretty sure she's bred) start giving her a few ground up tums on her feed - it'll help her milk, plus help her with calcium and magnesium in her body and bones. Thanks for the words of Wisdom jcross I had not heard about the Tums before, thats a simple but yet good sound advice , Isnt there also a supplement to give for helping with the milk ? If she takes , its going to be cold when she whelps. Im going ahead and planning for this just to be ahead of the game. I'll keep her in the House ( my house) at this time. But I would like to make a good whelping box for her, one not real big but one I can keep indoors accesable from the top for me to clean for her and the pups. Does anybody have any plans with measurements that I can copy and build with your permission. She's a little girl just makes the 13" mark... Guess I turned into an Ole Softy If y'all have any pictures Id appreciate lookin at them too of a whelping box. |
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Nov 18, 2008 17:12:33 GMT -5
Until this last litter whelped, I've never had a problem with a bitches milk production, but I do support them with a little "extra". Unimilk, made my MannaPro (makers of Calf Manna) sprinkled on their feed seems to do great. I don't wet it, just sprinkle it on dry. Also, I use this when my pups start eating, again, normally I don't wet my puppy feed, but for smaller pups, I probably would...I usually start offering them feed around 3 1/2 weeks of age. I don't like my bitches super fat but I definitely don't want them skinny. If they start losing weight, I pick up the feed.....
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Post by mrbeagler on Nov 22, 2008 13:53:59 GMT -5
Until this last litter whelped, I've never had a problem with a bitches milk production, but I do support them with a little "extra". Unimilk, made my MannaPro (makers of Calf Manna) sprinkled on their feed seems to do great. I don't wet it, just sprinkle it on dry. Also, I use this when my pups start eating, again, normally I don't wet my puppy feed, but for smaller pups, I probably would...I usually start offering them feed around 3 1/2 weeks of age. I don't like my bitches super fat but I definitely don't want them skinny. If they start losing weight, I pick up the feed..... Havent been ignoring you jcross just waiting to see if anyone else was gonna add any more. Thats what I was looking for (Unimilk ) I couldnt pull it up from my memory, geesh... I will get some of this for my female next trip to the feed store. I've never given this but never had a female that didnt have plenty of milk for the pups. As this started, I have not had a not planed breeding either so im just covering all the bases LOL Thanks for the help ... Mr B |
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Post by caincutter on Nov 28, 2008 8:26:06 GMT -5
Mr. B I am just now seeing this post so what I have to say may be to-little-to-late. You could have taken your young gyp to your vet and he may have given her a missed match shot. Some vets will not give this shot but I have had to use this method on several occasions over the years with no adverse effects. You have to get the gyp to the vet within 24 to 48 hours to prevent pregnancy. If your very Young gyp is with pups then you may find that AKC will not register the litter. I think there standard is the mama must be at least one year old at the time of whelping. We know this was not a planned event and like others on this site, I never plan a cross until both the dame and sire are 2 years plus and they have proven to be excellent hunters that should be reproduced. You may have already been to my Pawpawskennels site and seen how I can ON and On about how things are done around here. Here is a string back to the Diet Section of that site. There you will see some information about how I care for both mom and pups. I also cover some information about a Happy Jack product called Milk-Aid. Check It Out! www.geocities.com/pawpawskennels/DIET.html |
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Post by mrbeagler on Nov 28, 2008 13:22:12 GMT -5
Went and checked ou your site and info.
You have good information on the diet and excercise
very positive and yet informal ( Like that ).
I will be going back to read more Harvey
Thanks for the heads up on this.
Like the site .... All of it !
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Dec 4, 2008 23:44:57 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the miss-mate shots, hormone manipulation is usually rougher on the female dog than the process of whelping and raising pups (considering she's nutritionally supported during that process) and will typically have fewer lasting results. More often than not, I've seen dogs with recurring future problems with heat cycles out of sync, increased cystic problems, increased uterine infection problems etc after one shot, so, to me, that is one case that nature is the best bet. While a young female dog whelping DOES carry risks, it measures to me as less risks than chemically altering her hormones, with less long term effects.
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Post by bulletproof on Dec 5, 2008 7:17:58 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the miss-mate shots, hormone manipulation is usually rougher on the female dog than the process of whelping and raising pups (considering she's nutritionally supported during that process) and will typically have fewer lasting results. More often than not, I've seen dogs with recurring future problems with heat cycles out of sync, increased cystic problems, increased uterine infection problems etc after one shot, so, to me, that is one case that nature is the best bet. While a young female dog whelping DOES carry risks, it measures to me as less risks than chemically altering her hormones, with less long term effects.  |
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