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Post by carolinadoghunter on Aug 28, 2008 18:05:32 GMT -5
are they good hog dogs just wondering?
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Post by lunger on Aug 29, 2008 10:19:30 GMT -5
Rarely see one being used for hogs,hunting or competion bays.My brother raises them.Good tree dogs and deer dogs.....
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Aug 29, 2008 10:33:40 GMT -5
ditto lunger
I've never seen many for hogs dogs either. Won't say they can't just haven't seen it.
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Post by lunger on Aug 30, 2008 15:52:29 GMT -5
jcross , when I was around 10 years old one of my uncles raised registered B & T's. He had cancer and from his last breeding he gave my older brother the only male. This was back in the 60's , things were different then. This dog was known in several counties.If it was GAME , he found it ! Didn't matter if it was coon or deer . He would also herd cattle by himself. Been around a lot of dogs and this was the ONLY B&T I've seen that would do that.
Two of my uncles , (from my Mother's side ) came by one morning and wanted my brother to skip school and go kill some hogs a lady had problems with.He told them to wait untill he got out of school. When we came home the dog was gone.We got a call several days latter from a guy that said he knew it was our dog ,( He was well known as I stated) but couldn't touch him , he would bite.Me & my dad went to pick him up and he had been shot with a 22 in the gut.This was the only dog my dad ever took to a Vet. He lived for a couple of days.My dad got word out to my uncles not to be caught in the woods. They never hunted again and when they both past away my dad still had never forgave them. They denied it , but we all knew different. That is a true story. Either Jason , (Head judge at Uncle Earls,can't remember his last name) or Lloyd Ashley had a B&T that would hammer one up close.The only two I can remember , but I'm sure there are several out there.
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Aug 30, 2008 17:47:17 GMT -5
Littleton....and it was probably Lloyd....Jason had some good ones, but they were mostly what he bought, not what he "made". Money has hurt our breed, they're working hard to take the "game" out of a lot of 'em.....give me heart, any day.
I've seen a couple B&T's - but like old timey catahoulas, most folks just don't breed for the dogs they once did. Though I show, and enjoy the heck out of it, the dog is worthless to me if he can't do both. I've got dogs with fancy titles, and I'm mighty proud of it, but when you see the "a-hole and elbows" when they leave on a track and show you a hog is when the "real deal" really means something special to me.
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Post by lunger on Aug 31, 2008 14:11:19 GMT -5
Yea it's Littleton , I remembered this morning. most folks just don't breed for the dogs they once did. , This has become my motto. Just like the B&T I posted about. He was breed for GAME ! You never saw more than three grown dogs at our house when I was younger. Daddy always said there wasn't enough game to feed us and them too. ;D
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Post by midnite on Aug 31, 2008 15:55:47 GMT -5
Lunger, when I was up there and saw Brian at the store hw had a young B&T in the kennel taking it home I think he said he was gonna try him out
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Post by lunger on Aug 31, 2008 20:27:08 GMT -5
Yep , she's off of his Dad's line. He bayed her here the last bay and she didn't do to bad.He's still feeding her , but hey , he's a houndsman ...................
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Post by hardhunter on Mar 8, 2009 21:52:45 GMT -5
the problem with most hunting dogs anymore is people are breeding paper not dogs,breeding to sale we are going to let money ruin the hound game that we all love,think about it 20 years ago you could get a great hound for $50.00 and he would make you a good dog now you pay 2-3 hundred dollars and dont have nothing there again they are breeding papers i am a rabbit hunter and raise beagles i dont care less what a dogs grandpa did i want to know what his mom and dad does when i breed a female i breed her to the best male i can find i dont care what the papers say he should do thanks,
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Post by gitrbayed on Mar 11, 2009 22:08:18 GMT -5
a set of papers won't put food on the table! papers are only good in my opnion if you are out to make money or comp hunt! the best dogs i have and have ever had were grade dogs! ya i've got a couple papered dogs but i'm real picky about where i get dogs from if i don't raise them myself! i won't buy a dog just on papers won't buy any dog that is supposed to be finished or even well started! i'll take a pup ready to start or a dog that has been hunted some that way i can mold it into what i like not what someone else likes! i try to keep pups here that i'm not goin to keep til i've shown them a hog or two or hunted them a time or two to make sure someone isn't getting a cull but a lot of times that isn't possible either people don't want to wait or i can't afford to keep them all and do that especially if i have more than one litter at a time! breed for results not a fancy bloodline! breed the best you have or the best you have to the best you can find that you know what it is and you will come out with good pups that will turn into good dogs!
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Post by daltonmcgill7 on Mar 12, 2009 20:19:14 GMT -5
a set of papers won't put food on the table! papers are only good in my opnion if you are out to make money or comp hunt! the best dogs i have and have ever had were grade dogs! ya i've got a couple papered dogs but i'm real picky about where i get dogs from if i don't raise them myself! i won't buy a dog just on papers won't buy any dog that is supposed to be finished or even well started! i'll take a pup ready to start or a dog that has been hunted some that way i can mold it into what i like not what someone else likes! i try to keep pups here that i'm not goin to keep til i've shown them a hog or two or hunted them a time or two to make sure someone isn't getting a cull but a lot of times that isn't possible either people don't want to wait or i can't afford to keep them all and do that especially if i have more than one litter at a time! breed for results not a fancy bloodline! breed the best you have or the best you have to the best you can find that you know what it is and you will come out with good pups that will turn into good dogs! i dont care if a dog has papers if it runs a deer its a good dog . im not huntin to make money im hunting to have fun and put food on the table
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Post by gitrbayed on Mar 12, 2009 21:05:33 GMT -5
a set of papers won't put food on the table! papers are only good in my opnion if you are out to make money or comp hunt! the best dogs i have and have ever had were grade dogs! ya i've got a couple papered dogs but i'm real picky about where i get dogs from if i don't raise them myself! i won't buy a dog just on papers won't buy any dog that is supposed to be finished or even well started! i'll take a pup ready to start or a dog that has been hunted some that way i can mold it into what i like not what someone else likes! i try to keep pups here that i'm not goin to keep til i've shown them a hog or two or hunted them a time or two to make sure someone isn't getting a cull but a lot of times that isn't possible either people don't want to wait or i can't afford to keep them all and do that especially if i have more than one litter at a time! breed for results not a fancy bloodline! breed the best you have or the best you have to the best you can find that you know what it is and you will come out with good pups that will turn into good dogs! i dont care if a dog has papers if it runs a deer its a good dog . im not huntin to make money im hunting to have fun and put food on the table lol thanks! though i don't want mine running deer!
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Mar 12, 2009 21:23:21 GMT -5
I'm not just picky about where mine come from, I'm more picky about where mine go. LOL As a catahoula breeder, I stick to only purebred catahoulas. They have a pretty high bar to measure up to. To me, it's certainly not about the money, but the quality. Today's dog is often not bred for top quality but for mediocrity, purebred or otherwise. It seems that the going thing is "Ol Sally" and "Ol Buddy" will make great producers since "Ol Sally" came in heat.
I think that is why I liked this forum so quickly when I first joined, purebred/registered or not, for the most part, the breeding was being done to improve whatever pack someone was working, not just because they were breathing and available. Those with non-papered dogs still kept/keep records of the lineage showing consistancy for generations. In the end, that's what it's all about with a good dog....the proverbial proof in the pudding.
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Post by gitrbayed on Mar 13, 2009 16:02:28 GMT -5
jcross i'll put mine up against any anywhere and fully expect them to stick with anyones! not saying they are great or the best to be had because i'm sure they are better to be had but i've worked hard to keep producing good game catching plotts grade and registered! i personally don't much like fooling with papers! but very few that knew the way plotts are that have gotten pups from me has not been happy with what the pups have turned out to be! some that didn't know anything about plotts were not real happy at first but warmed up to the breed rather quickly! i'm sure people will vouch for the dogs that have come from me maybe even some here on this board that have had or hunted with me and my dogs or dogs that have came from my dogs!
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Mar 13, 2009 16:37:11 GMT -5
that's what it's all about gitrbayed, and exactly the reason we're on your list for a pup. It's about QUALITY and consistency - the only difference is mine are all registered with the catahoula association. (Obviously not the plotts or bull dogs) As you know, you can find a dog anywhere, finding a GOOD dog takes someone (like yourself) dedicated to putting into breeding what it takes to come out with the best possible for you to offer.
I just happen to have the records of the last 6 generations on file with a registry rather than in my head. Any good houndsman KNOWS his dogs, he don't have to have it on paper to tell him who and what they are - he knows because he's been out there in the REAL WORLD shoulder to shoulder with 'em working.
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