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Post by bruingtonbeagles on Aug 21, 2008 16:26:04 GMT -5
wondering if any of you guys use ivomec to prevent heartworms in your beagles?my vet told me to use it,but when i bought it it say's right on the box that it can 'kill' dogs.this is for cattle and swine,just wanted to ask someone's opinion,thanks.
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Post by doghunter0021 on Aug 21, 2008 17:36:00 GMT -5
That's all Dad use on his dogs.Make sure the dogs are free of heartworms before you start and then make sure you use the correct dosage each month.
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Post by franco on Aug 21, 2008 21:13:02 GMT -5
1/10 a cc per 10 lbs .
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Post by bruingtonbeagles on Aug 21, 2008 21:22:39 GMT -5
thanks,does this also treat hookworms,roundworms,and whipworms?or do i need to administer something in addition to this
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Post by carolinadoghunter on Aug 22, 2008 8:24:41 GMT -5
yaa i was wondering that too
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Aug 22, 2008 13:47:20 GMT -5
ivermectin of ANY sort will NOT take care of whipworms....make sure you have plain ivermectin and not the "plus" that treats liver flukes.
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Post by carolinadoghunter on Aug 24, 2008 9:25:15 GMT -5
why not the plus?
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Post by deerchaser on Aug 24, 2008 12:29:22 GMT -5
Daddy uses ivomec and safeguard horse wormer monthly to prevent worms not sure how much
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Post by bruingtonbeagles on Aug 25, 2008 21:28:59 GMT -5
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Aug 25, 2008 22:16:16 GMT -5
glad to see you getting up to date info bruington - just for an easy way to give it, I use dog biscuits....use an insulin syringe, drop the dose on the biscuit and cover it with a bit of peanut butter. LOL - some think I'm nuts, but my dogs think it's a treat and it's cheap and effective and easy. Again though, be sure it's the plain Ivermectin and not the "plus" for liver flukes that IS toxic to dogs.
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Post by mrbeagler on Aug 26, 2008 11:01:12 GMT -5
appreciate any tips here  Thanks Mr. B |
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Post by vahunterinms on Aug 26, 2008 22:30:42 GMT -5
GOT NEW INFO TODAY FROM MY VET,TOOK MY 4-PUPS TO GET HEARTWORM TEST TODAY AND THEY WERE NEGATIVE,I TOLD THE VET I WAS GOING TO START THEM ON IVOMEC .10CC PER 10LBS BODY WEIGHT AND SHE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE FOUND THAT THAT WAS TOOO MUCH....YOU ONLY NEED TO GIVE .5ccPER 25LBS OF BODY WEIGHT.THATS NOT 1/2CC GUYS ITS ONLY .5cc ONLY LIKE 2-DROPS ITS ALMOST NOTHING...DON'T GIVE YOUR BEAGLES MORE THAN THEY NEED THIS IS POWERFULL STUFF,JUST WANTED TO LET YA'LL KNOW.  Just to get this right... Are you saying that the correct dose is .10cc per ten pounds.. Is that the same as 1/10 of cc per ten pounds? For a 25 pound beagle that would be .25cc for 25 pounds right or wrong? I give my hounds 1/10thcc per ten pounds. They are 50lb each and on that is 80lbs. 50lb dogs I give .5cc and the 80lb dog I give .8cc |
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Aug 27, 2008 9:31:14 GMT -5
no VA....the COW dosage is 1 cc per 110 lbs, so it's always been assumed .10 for 11 lbs of dog or .10 per 10 lbs because that's easier to "figure" - for heartworm preventative a dog needs .05 cc per 25 lbs of dog. Basically a 100 lb dog would need .2 cc for heartworm preventative a month. That's not even quite a 1/4 of a cc. - Now, with that said, lots of people use it for deworming too, not just heartworm preventative, if that's the case, it DOES take a larger dose. Ivermectin will work for Rounds and hooks and "baby" heartworms in certain stages - not on whips or tapes. For it to work on the other worms too, it takes about 3x the dosage for HW preventative BUT the worms get immune to it quickly....so, it's a good idea to use another deworming drug regularly. Especially if you're like me and keep your dogs on dirt. (I don't have concrete pens)
That's where the "myth" of ivermectin toxicity comes in to play. It's NOT an approved worm medicine for dogs, only as a heartworm preventative and it IS a little harsh as a wormer. How long will it take to see results of the years of overdosing? Probably longer than the average working dog will live, typically. The only breeds that I'm aware of that have known intolerance of Ivermectin is the collie and collie type (australian shep, sheltie) dogs....it's tickling my brain that I'm forgetting something in particular here breed wise but I can't place it - maybe a particular bird dog breed it seems, but for the most part, it's a very safe and effective way to prevent HW disease. Just for the technicality of it....it takes, if memory serves me here, 256 MICROgrams of ivermectin per month for HW prevention for a 100 lb dog.
To my customers I always recommend straight ivomec, strongid c and synanthic for a regular deworming and HW preventative program. It's my belief it's much better to feed a dog than the worms in the dog.
Another thing though, many of us on this particular board are in basically similar climates scattered across the southern US....but, be aware that different climates may have different needs based on the "bugs" indigenous to that particular area. Cooler climates that don't have these 747 sized skeeters out year 'round may not need the level of protection we do down here in sultry Mississippi.....
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Post by bruingtonbeagles on Aug 27, 2008 20:30:54 GMT -5
great advice jcross,you seem to be very knowledgeable about dog health.are you a vet?
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Post by jcrosscatahoulas on Aug 27, 2008 21:32:24 GMT -5
Nope....I don't have a license - just a lot of years of working with horses, cattle and dogs and enough college that I shouldn't have been foolish enough to not finish. I started in a clinical situation when I was 15 under an old horse vet named Dr. Berrong that was one of those "not always by the book because I can make more money" type of vets, then text books, then practical use. Now, I have an awesome vet that I work with when I run across something that I can't handle myself. But truthfully, ranching for a living probably taught me more than the classroom ever could have anyway, so I don't regret it.
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